Using archival footage, interviews and dramatic reconstruction, "Killing Oswald" explores the mystery of how and why John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald were assassinated in 1963. It maybe opened up some doors for him. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. What do you mean? Yes, Oswald moved twenty times with his mother before he turned seventeen, which is when he joined the Marines. When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didn't talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. I said, "If that never came about, if you didn't really betray the country and you only attempted to do it -- and they didn't let you do it anyway -- legally, then it seems to me you have a basis." This montage of early 1990s television specials was curated by the JFK Assassination Forum. Hola, identifcate. The job's not doing that good. What's the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? But I think he was disappointed. What was his wife, Marina, like? When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. He told me about it, and I told him I'd go with him. Best Known For: Lee Harvey Oswald was a former U.S. Marine who was accused of killing President John F. Kennedy. Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. 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True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. At every step of the way, what leads Oswald to trying to remove himself from the Soviet Union is not anything intellectual or ideological -- nothing substantive in that respect. You don't think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? He wasn't political. Find out in the 2015 documentary Outbreak, newly available to stream on FRONTLINEs YouTube channel. I think they're inseparable. How can you explain one without the other? LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.com.mx: Libros. How can you explain one without the other? They didnt know for sure if he was an agent or not. He toyed with people like that. If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted . But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, that's a tremendous impact. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. The shooting was broadcast live nationally, and millions of television viewers witnessed it. He said no, he wanted that one up there. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. Hola, identifcate. That was a training ground [for] his imagination. If you had to take a guess about when he got his political beliefs, how he was introduced to Marxism, what would you guess? Interview'The defense actually made a pretty good case' Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV, yet his trial was no slam dunk In new book 'Kennedy's Avenger,' Dan Abrams and David. I anticipated, and I said to the family, "He'll be back within a year." . He failed at both. The big question is why. During the conversation, Hoffa claimed that Ruby was assigned the task of coordinating police officers who were loyal to Ruby to murder Oswald while he was in their custody. But I think all of Oswald's remarks are included here.To hear Lee Harvey Oswald's two radio interviews, go here:http://Oswald-On-The-Radio.blogspot.com Later in the day, after driving into town with his two pet dogs and sending an emergency money order to one of his employees, Ruby walked to the nearby police headquarters, where he made his way to the basement via the Main Steet ramp. He never did answer. The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. "I Led Three Lives" -- he became really engrossed in that particular TV show, and he was still watching it when I left to go in the Marine Corps in 1952. The Cold War was going on. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. What did he have in the back of his mind? Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasnt necessarily anything theyd be interested in. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? Cuenta y listas Devoluciones y . So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. How would he have reacted to that? Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. He would awaken relatively early in his apartment, and he would walk about eight minutes to the radio factory where he worked in the experimental department, and he probably would have been there until late afternoon or early evening, ate dinner, he might have read a good bit -- he was fond of reading -- visited friends, gone to the conservatory or the opera, which was a short walk away from his apartment, and he probably would have retired early. . Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. I wasn't real sure what the explanation was. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". I wasnt real sure what the explanation was. That's not to suggest it was in any way any less than that, but it's just that we refuse to see it in its true light. 49K views 9 years ago WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. He'd actually applied for Albert Schweitzer's school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? . So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. We talked about family matters. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Posner also discusses the actions, motivations and mob connections of Jack Ruby, who murdered Oswald. The result of the whole mismanagement was Lee's death. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, Me, myself and I will do something.. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. What was his concern? After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? Lee's trying. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial.\" At the time of the shooting Ruby said he was taking phenmetrazine, a central nervous system stimulant.Ruby's explanation for killing Oswald would be \"exposed as a fabricated legal ploy\", according to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. For this 2003 publication of the interview, Mr. Blakey has added a notation to those questions touching on the CIA, and refers the reader to a long addendum at the end of the interview that reflects his opinion on the CIA in light of current revelations. And you don't know what the Sam Hill is going on? He would talk about anything else. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was he wanted to be accepted. Lee Harvey Oswald speaks to the press - YouTube 0:00 / 1:08 Lee Harvey Oswald speaks to the press CNN 14.7M subscribers Subscribe 7.3K Share 1.4M views 9 years ago Lee Harvey. He had fallen deeply for Ella, and he had proposed to her and she had said no, and he saw in Marina somebody who was meant to distract him and carry him forward. What do you do with his pistol? NARRATOR: Within two hours, the police had arrested 24-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald. Somehow, somebody never realized what the Sam Hill was going on. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. He said no, that wasn't necessary, he could take care of it. No, he was a superficial Marxist. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. What kind of a Marxist was he? I didn't know -- but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. He's getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because it's a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? I think that the allure of Marxism was its anger. Hola Elige tu direccin Libros. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. We talked about this at a great length during that first week. She is wanting to go back to Russia. He had tapped into or been drawn to the emotions which that politics helped to foment, but did he have a deep understanding of how revolutions unfold, and the relationship between the proletariat and the means of production? He was just out of the Marine Corps. But Lee had that same personality type. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. On Nov. 22,  it went way downhill. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. When he returned to the United States, he didnt want to be a Russian. The big question is why. That's where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. Also, he was put into an apartment that was a short walk from the Institute for Foreign Languages in Minsk, where one would meet girls who were studying English and were interested in foreigners, and were probably more adventurous, you might say. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. This was deepened by his friendship with Pavel Golovachev, a few conservations he has with some other friends and associates, and he tends to get rather, not just tired, but really kind of fed up with the whole lifestyle. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. They didn't finalize that. He was expecting the future was going to resolve itself, that history would end. And in this place, he would join this much larger-than-life cause, and he would break permanently with the United States, and he would live happily every after in the Soviet Union. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different not [an] everyday occurrence. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. It sounds like Oswald's disillusionment stemmed as much from personal as political reasons. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. Marina was upbeat on it. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. Walker and, still chewing his cigar, Detective Paul Bentley, on Nov. 22, 1963. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. So he thought hed get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. Definitely not. He was on his own in libraries. He went the following day, had the meeting. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasnt to me, it gets down to what happened later on. So from Oswald's vantage point, the Soviet experiment, as he would have seen it, was this marvelous opportunity to transcend where he came from. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. Our mother was Lee's most important person in his life. He was using his own imagination. It's always personal. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, Well, everything went all right. And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. It's there; put it to rest. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? He moves into his own apartment and everything. But he would look at it. He had the superficialities of radicalism, but that's what appealed to him: the sense of belonging, of being very serious. By Melissa De Witte Those alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news the president had been shot. Oswald was an avowed Marxist whose sojourn to the. He was on his own in libraries. This is mind over heart. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say "Well, let's really see what this is about." The Cold War was going on. But he finally said, Brother, you wont find anything there.. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I'm concerned -- the Warren Commission was correct. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. Thats almost unbelievable. Everything is deteriorating. With each failure to settle in, with each failure to secure a job or hold onto that job, with each failure to secure an apartment or placate his wife, to build any kind of life with each failure, his internal pressure mounts. Radio Talk Show Host, Bob Allen He had the presence of mind then to do that. That was our affectionate name for Mother. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. He didn't elaborate on that. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. This would have to be at the federal level. It had everything to do with the fact that he was not good at fitting in, at settling in, so as the realities of day-to-day life began to pile up, as they began to impose on him, he became less enchanted. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? . Theyve got the camera. It just floors me, it floored me then. The committee found that there was a "probable conspiracy," suggesting that parts of the Mafia and/or certain anti-Castro Cuban groups "may have been involved.". He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when hes coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. And so the Marines, and then later the Soviet Union, should be viewed as an attempt by Oswald to find structure, to find place. web pages About October 1962 things were not going along too good. He was toying with them. Theyve got the original negative. After Lees return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents I believe that was Mr. Fain in wanting to have a meeting with him. I don't know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. He went the following day, had the meeting. We know he owned a rifle. What did he do? Ive managed to keep it quiet. That was it. But things were tight at that time. He was ready. It just didn't fit. I think theyre inseparable. According to Robert Oswald, the "hard physical evidence" leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? This is a must watch till the very end.then another must watch with pen in hand . The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different -- not [an] everyday occurrence. Our mother was Lees most important person in his life. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. It maybe opened up some doors for him. His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. He says, "Well, don't you know?" He'd made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. In fact, she is quick to get moving on the bureaucratic process involved in that to emigrate. That's almost unbelievable. This is mind over heart. He's deeply unhappy and he stumbles on this whole world that stands in direct opposition to the world that he comes from. And his attempted murder of Edwin Walker is clearly about that. Finally, I guess, I couldn't stand it anymore. ", A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. There's another seed that's planted in him that stayed there forever. It was wall-to-wall reporters, police officers, FBI, Secret Service. [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. But Lee had that same personality type. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" . Once again, its just a continual cycle, and it starts downhill. We had an old black-and-white. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, I need to be someplace else. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. What attracted her to Oswald and why did she come back with him to the United States? Why couldn't he find a sense of purpose or place there? Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. He started teaching this man's son how to write and talk Russian. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. Hes thinking about going to Cuba. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. In November, 1959, as a reporter in Moscow, she had interviewed a twenty-year-old ex-Marine at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow named Lee Harvey Oswald, who'd announced he wanted to defect to. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? Marina repeated to McMillan what she told the Warren Commission in 1964--that her husband was not capable of being recruited as a conspirator, and that he most likely acted alone in killing President Kennedy. He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. One in this documentary series. As I learned later on, hes becoming very belligerent to Mother. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasnt. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. When you do have a human asset in heart . It was always separation, separation, separation. December 4, 1963: In an interview Lee Harvey Oswald's mother, Marguerite Oswald, says assumes her son is innocent and that President John F. Kennedy would be alive and so would her son if Oswald . I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of WGBH Educational Foundation. He had alluded to some relationships when he was in the Marines, but as far as anyone knows there was no girlfriend, or no evidence of a girlfriend, there was just some kind of bravado or talk. Web Site Copyright 1995-2023 WGBH Educational Foundation. But he had prepared answers and statements, anticipating reporters either at the ship or some place down the line on the return. So Oswald benefitted from all that. On Nov. 22,  it went way downhill. Oswald never stood trial for murder, because, while being transferred after having been taken into custody, he was shot and killed by Jack Ruby, a distraught Dallas nightclub owner. He's failing at almost every level. I Led Three Lives he became really engrossed in that particular TV show, and he was still watching it when I left to go in the Marine Corps in 1952. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they werent interested in it. Uploaded by I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. I had to ask him very serious questions. I said, "What did you tell them?" The result of the whole mismanagement was Lees death. And by the time we get to late 1960, he's beginning to think that maybe he's made a mistake -- he's not quite sure, but he's thinking that. What was he expecting when he went to the Soviet Union? He is the author of the 1981 book, The Plot To Kill the President, and in the late 1960s he campaigned for and helped write much of the anti-racketeering legislation that would usher in the demise of the Mafia. . He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. In this interview, Posner talks about the forensic evidence over the years that points to Oswald as the lone assassin and the lack of credible evidence to support the various conspiracy theories. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. It was always separation, separation, separation. With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? I couldnt believe it. There are any number of possible outcomes -- or temples, so to speak -- he could have turned to. So it's not surprising that after just a few months, he began to grow tired of it. Search the history of over 797 billion There's a logic in that. Every move is prompted by one of his mother Marguerite's failures -- personal, professional, or otherwise. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. The third thing was he wanted to look into his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, because he felt like that was unwarranted because, i.e., he was released with honorable conditions. Two, Jack Ruby did inestimable harm to the whole process of America coming to terms with what happened. This was unsettling. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. It was a terrible thing to look at. That's the shocker. He wasn't political. He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. Whereas Ella was rather innocent and timid and curious and prone to a kind of girlishness, Marina was anything but that. . He was quickly integrated into the mechanism of daily proletarian life in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. I recently spoke with Mr. Savodnik over the phone about his book. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.nl: Boeken. We talked about family matters. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. John and I would be off doing other things. Although that was Marguerite Oswald's first network television interview in many years, we were not the first journalists to speak with her. So youre saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? I didn't press it any further. I struggled through about 10 or 15 pages of it. But the facts are there. From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. We're talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. The book's findings will catapult you into a trip through a house . If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. Buscar Amazon.es. But the facts are there. Nothing illustrates the thinness, the superficiality of Oswald's ideology as his growing disillusionment with the Soviet Union. He knew something they didn't know, and he would keep it to himself. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. He wanted to get his manuscript published if anybody was interested. Zoeken Amazon.nl. Saltar al contenido principal.com.mx. The Hartford Files She has no control over him.